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What percentage of primary care physicians--or even students in medical school/residency--understand what Intractable Pain is, and the fact that chronic pain can become Intractable Pain when it is not properly treated?

See the June, 2011 IOM report "Relieving Pain in America" regarding the fact that IP can result from under-managed pain.

I'd very much appreciate any info, as someone who has IP illness and wants to prevent it from needlessly taking over other people's lives.

Intractable Pain often starts off as an under-treated chronic pain illness, like Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy, etc. But, where are the stats on how many medical professionals are aware of/looking out for this illness, in their practice? Thank you!
asked Aug 30 at 11:21AM in Neurology/Brain Disorders
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    answered Aug 31 at 10:02PM
    I don't have the specific answer to your question but certainly in California in recent years, all physicians (except radiologists and pathologists) had to demonstrate 12 hours of continuing medical education in pain management and end of life care. In California, The California Medical Board revised and expanded its pain policy in 2003 to more emphatically make the point that appropriate pain management is essential to sound patient care, and physicians who fail to provide it may be at risk for disciplinary action. [Medical Board of California.(2003). Guidelines for prescribing controlled substances for pain. Sacramento, CA]

    As long as there is a general political and legal enforcement policy to inhibit "excessive" prescription of narcotics for patients in pain, pain will never be adequately treated and will then always be looked upon as "intractable". ..Maurice.
    • Even though 12 hours of mandatory pain management are required by the Medical Board of California there are many cases of under treatment of intractable chronic pain within the patient population.
      Scott Stoney MD commented Sep 04 at 11:38AM
    • My pain will be Intractable with or without tx. IP is a very specific medical condition, which is why I asked the question. Most docs cannot diagnose/treat IP. Nor distinguish true pain from malingerers--most guess & are often wrong! Required CME hrs do not mean education on how to treat pain/what to do for patients with serious pain conditions like IP. In fact, many orgs offer CME on comorbidity... mental health issues and pain, etc.

      I asked the question because this issue concerns me greatly. Pain education is in the dark ages, from what I can see. How do we change that? I wish I knew!
      Heather Grace commented Sep 06 at 06:51PM
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    answered Sep 04 at 11:40AM
    Two new reports highlight the fact that people who are living with significant or chronic pain are undertreated. Specifically, at least 30 percent of individuals with moderate chronic pain and more than 50 percent who are living with severe chronic pain are not receiving adequate pain relief.
    SOURCES:
    American Academy of Pain Medicine
    American Pain Foundation
    Hahn KL. Journal of Pain and Palliative Care Pharmacotherapy 2009; 23(4): 414-18
    National Centers for Health Statistics
    Oregon State University press release
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    answered Sep 04 at 02:05PM
    Scott and Heather, do you think that the "war on drugs" methods and restrictions and laws (as I suggested above) that has been going on in the USA and elsewhere for years has contributed to inhibit physicians from adequately treating those patients who are in moderate to severe pain? Scott, under what unreasonable, untherapeutic inhibitions, if any, do you find applied to your practice? ..Maurice.
    • I think the DEA has created an unnecessary threat to patient care. Sure, a few patients use docs as a means to score their drug of choice & a few clinics are just a front to sell drugs. But, the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Now LEGITIMATE docs/patients are questioned, even arrested. The DEA needs education just as badly as the doctors do, I am afraid.

      If everyone stopped for a moment, then thought about it, they'd realize that like any other disease, there are OBJECTIVE SIGNS OF PAIN! See Tennant, F. Pain Tx Topics 2008: http://pain-topics.org/pdf/Tennant-PainSigns.pdf
      Heather Grace commented Sep 06 at 07:04PM
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    answered Sep 04 at 08:23PM
    In 2006 the Federation of State Medical Boards initiate of the "Balanced Pain Act" states that the physician patient relationship is to be uninterrupted assured that the physician ethically uses pain medication for intractable pain in accordance with standards of care outlined by the State Medical Boards. In return the State will prosecute the violators of the law. This protects physicians as well as patients. The standards of care require many laws, among those being drug screening, psychological screening, patient goals, re assessment of the patient and assuring proper diagnosis with confirming physicians. Patients who have a history of substance abuse must have a physician certified in drug detoxification accompany the treatment plan. There are many other rules and regulations, please contact your State Medical Board for the details. The laws are strict but if the physician abides be the law the patient and physician are safe from harm.
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    answered Sep 04 at 09:43PM
    Scott, do you think that all these rules are beneficial for the universal professional high quality treatment of moderate to severe pains or particularly for those who are not palliation or pain specialists a burden which to them would be simpler to be left unmet and the patient instead "treated" with inappropriate and inadequate analgesia? ..Maurice.
    • I've seen just TWO specialists who understood my condition. Many pain management docs fear the DEA these days & are unwilling to prescribe appropriately for someone like me. Best I got was Norco & at more than 4000mg of acetaminophen per day, I was both shocked/nervous they wouldn't do more for me. Sometimes, serious illness requires Sch II prescribing.

      My opinion? Leave it to experts! Just be sure that PCPs & palliative docs will REFER to specialists if they're unwilling/unable to dx/tx. Can't wait for Pain Week--starts Sep 7 in Vegas. I want to hear what others think about this huge issue!
      Heather Grace commented Sep 06 at 07:13PM
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    answered Sep 04 at 09:47PM
    It is my opinion that the rules are restrictive and should be that way to protect the general public from patients who abuse medication. Again, the Balanced Pain Initiative by the Federation of State Medical Boards is quite clear that the physician patient relationship is to be maintained while protecting abuse. There is no stipulation by the State Medical boards to restrict the ability of a pain with intractable pain to receive adequate treatment.
    • Before my injury, I would've agreed w/you. But, you're not at a doctor's mercy for your life. I know ppl who are in/out of the ER a lot. Why? No one will treat them! Rural areas? They travel hrs trying to find a doc who can/WILL help.

      The DEA's a much bigger fear than most think. A few docs on trial & the rest? Running scared. 90% of pain docs DO NOT help ppl like me. Got to a point where I understood why some do bad things to get meds. Either that or kill yourself? The situation's dire--life & death--for many like me.

      Dr. Stoney, do you prescribe Sch II on a regular basis to pain patients?
      Heather Grace commented Sep 06 at 07:24PM
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    answered Sep 06 at 04:45PM
    I am a layperson, albeit a layperson who is living with intractable pain and have been for 27 yrs. This question is an interesting one for the community that lives daily in pain. One tha twe been asking for fa rtoo long. It is reassurring to find that there are physicians asking the same thing.

    I see the questionn coming from an emotional point, granted. But the question was" what percentage..... understands what intractable pain is?" My guess is that not many do. And by the answers that floowed the question becomes lost in the polotics of chronic pain.

    With all due respect, and admiration, for the question even being on the radar please let me say that unless a personhas (unfortunately) walked in a life with chronic pain, day after day, it is impossible to "understand". Even sharing with another person who lives with intractable pain is quite often an eye opener since of course no two people are alike.

    The point of contention became here in this article, in this question just like it always does when the topic of chronic pain is the forefront of conversation or debate. It seems it always becomes about whether opiate treatment is appropriate,.. or not.
    And if using opiate treatment,.. then the next bone of contention becomes addiction.
    The questio, conversation or debate currently on the table then becomes sideswiped.

    As a woman (56) who became one who has no choice but to live daily in pain when I was in my mid 30's I have come to know more than my share of medical treatment modalities.
    In 27 yrs of using every one made available to me (that made sense) I am here to also confirm that I am not an addict, and that when there is a choice for me to live a non functioning life in pain that levels me fla; or a choice to use prescribed medication (opiates) and be a functioning member of my home, and of my community, I choose the latter. It's easy for me. It became about quality of life.
    This is the one aspect of understaning intractable pain that I'd like to see absorbed.
    Quality of life must come in to play somewhere, and matter a whole lot!
    • Toni--I agree! Even if I've only been dealing with IP for 1/2 the time you have. I've tried everything & yes, opioids are most often required for IP.

      I also use CNS meds like Dr. Stoney mentioned. And amino acids, protein & many non-RX remedies. I use EVERYTHING I can--all means to manage my pain, because I don't want to rely solely on rx meds. No 1 option fully relieves my pain, but collectively, my treatments bring my pain down to a livable level.

      My life is much more 'normal' now--I owe it all to a doc who thought about me, my life. Quality of life is 100% what docs should focus on!
      Heather Grace commented Sep 06 at 07:37PM
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    answered Sep 06 at 05:53PM
    You are quite right. The solution is to find an educated physician in pain management, educated not only in diagnosis and treatment, but educated in social and specifically legislative matters regarding pain control. There has been a long history and fallacy that pain patients become addicts when studies show they do not. Although there is a physical dependancy there is a distinct difference between an addict and a patient who uses medications to control pain. There are also many alternatives to opioid pain medication including lyrica, cymbalta, neurontin, lidoderm patch,, etc. There are surgical options as well as non surgical modalitlies including Qi Gong therapy, Pilates and Rolfing. There are many alternatives but you should be in the hands of a physician who understands your pain, knows how to best treat you and one who is considerate and knowledged in the laws of prescribing and treating pain patients. As you may have become aware there are many sham therapies out there and of course be careful of what you spend your money on because many presumed therapies are advertised with no peer review judgement have no benefit.
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    answered Sep 06 at 07:29PM
    No physician can have true empathy representing true understanding about chronic and intractable pain without having experienced such pain themselves. And if they have, it would be in the context of their own life situation and not that of the patient. So patients generally will have to accept the advice and management by physicians who regularly professionally deal with patient pain and these would be palliative care and pain specialists. Also, perhaps patients such as Heather and Toni writing here can be a source of stimulation and advocacy for advancements in pain management ..Maurice
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    answered Sep 06 at 07:54PM
    Thank you all for your thoughtful answers! I was wondering if you would give us a little bit about your background. Are you PCPs? Do you treat pain patients? I'd love to get an idea of who we're speaking with--I appreciate hearing the doctor's viewpoint very much! I think an ongoing discussion about pain treatments, focusing on quality of life and being realistic about the need for opioid pain treatment.

    Like most pain patients, I *hate* that my life must be so entrenched in a controversial treatment. Let's face it, the stigma and judgment sucks! But at the same time, I am thankful for getting some semblance of a life back. I wish more docs would speak to their patients and hear their concerns, fears and opinions. It would make for a better world, no matter what illness you are discussing!

    I was lucky to have a medical background when I began my journey, and that helped me a lot along the way. But so many patients are lost, with no way to plead their case and no one who will listen to them. It will take a lot of understanding and forwarding-thinking to solve this issue--to truly care for the sickest among us.

    If we looked at pain like we do any other illness, it would be less of an issue to treat them appropriately. Diabetics take insulin-so what. Pain patients use opioids--big deal. I am hard-pressed to think of a single individual I've ever met who was both a pain patient and was addicted to their medication. And, I've met so many patients, as someone who worked in an IP clinic after my own health became stable, volunteering my time to help the patients who needed it. And... then, met even more by spending the last few years as an advocate, as well.

    The statistics back it up--pain patients do not become addicts at a greater rate than your average man on the street. Pain medication is part of our treatment, and we ALL have to accept it. Patients, loved ones, medical professionals and the media. I think a lot of the stigma comes from outside of this microcosm--and unfortunately, is designed to sell advertising on tv, radio and in print.

    I do believe that if more patients became advocates, and were willing to share their thoughts and feelings with doctors, we could change a lot of people's opinions of pain patients.(Sadly, so many people with pain are too sick to speak up!) I know that I am more than my disease and I am also more than my treatment. Anyone who spends five minutes with me knows this... That's why advocacy works!
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    answered Sep 06 at 08:00PM
    One more thing. If you take anything away from this discussion, let it be this.....

    Pain should not be seen as a condition that is only subjectively rated, by patients on a scale from 1 to 10. That's just not true! Like any other disease, there are OBJECTIVE SIGNS OF PAIN! See Tennant, F. Pain Treatment Topics, 2008: http://pain-topics.org/pdf/Tennant-PainSigns.pdf

    Thanks!
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    answered Sep 06 at 08:20PM
    Forest Tennant is a fantastic physician and you are taking the advice from the best when you use any of his quotations. Dr. Tennant created the Intractable Pain Act in California in 1998. I am a board certified Pain Management Physician. I spend nearly all of my time in treating patients, i also publish in Pain Medical Journals. I have taught at the University of California Irvine. There are many pain patient advocacy groups and family/patient support groups, a concept that I endorse. I wish you well in your journey to relieve your painful condition and I hope my comments do not leave you with ambiguity because there are a armament of pain treatments that a pain physician currently has in treating intractable pain.
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    answered Sep 09 at 01:48AM
    Re: Grace- Although you have mercifully dealing with IP for less years than I you have the wisdom of someone much older. Your mature style of writing and sharing about your own circumstances is amazing.
    I am humbled by your honest intelligence and willingness to share. Like you I my treatment modalities area plenty. I thank God for them every day. I have had choices. I too rely on "living better through chemistry" and it took me a long time to accept that this is my life now. Acceptance is a hug for the IP patient by the way

    My mind is buzzing with so much I'd like to say.
    I have been advocating for myself and for others whose lives have been turned upside down by IP?CP for most of 20 yrs now. Those first years in pain were ones of isolation and self survival. Many aspects of chronic and intractable pain management have improved vastly. Others feel still are stuck in the dark ages. I started out being prescribed the typical doses of drugs like odd not typically prescribed anti-inflams, hydrocodone, muscle relaxers, tranqulizers, (the pain must be mentally induced), in the mid 80's and just as an an FYI I live in the pacific northwest. Then up the ladder to oxycodone. Along with even more and different anti-depressants, anti-inflammatory's, and even barbiturates. I had physical therapy, massage, ultra-sound, surgery,.... you name it, I had it prescribed, suggested, or I searched out. Anything for help to minimize the pain. I'd long given up of it ever going away.

    I also did what I refer to as doctor shopping, all the time hoping and praying the next one had the answer for me. I worked in a mid size city pharmacy as a tech and I became some what knowledgeable about RX's, OTC's, homeopathic's, and supplement's. I was on the journey of my lifetime.
    Including seeing naturopath's, osteopath's, physiologists,.... and all the pertinent specialist's.
    I hated my what my life had become, I hated being associated with health issues of any kind let alone the stigma brought about by being in pain every day. Not to mention the attitudes of those in my inner circle who knew I was prescribed opiates.
    Finally after about 10 yrs of this my husband was transferred to Seattle where I met my first internist who took me seriously. Together with a pain specialist, a pharmacists who specializes in pain management, and myself a plan was made. I was slowly weaned off the oxycodone that I was taking every 4 hrs to a drug whose name put the fear of God into me initially. Methadone. All I heard in my head was "this is a drug used for heroin addicts" What is going on? I am not an addict! Not now nor ever. As was explained and made so much sense the methadone was a "long acting" opiate and because my body would not be detoxifying it every 3.5 -4 hours my pain management could be better. So as not to get become an endorsement for this treatment for anyone else suffice it to say that for me, for my pain it was the answer I'd been searching for.
    Gracefully my doctor sat down and educated me on it's use for intractable pain, the idea that my pain level could be managed was the first sign of hope in all those ten plus years.
    Today thanks to new drugs like Lyrica and Savella I have been able to for the first time in 15 or more years to reduce my dose of methadone drastically. But I do "rely" on a small minimal dose every morning and sometimes during a months time may need to add an additional repeat dose in the evening to help sleep. This is only if I have a spike in my typical pain level that still lets me function and have a full life which for me is key.

    I write about this only as a way of some back ground info to give myself some credibility on this site. After advocating online for close to 15 yrs I have discovered that everyone is not as transparent as they may seem.

    With all this being shared I'd like to thank you to Grace for posing such a fascinating question and for inspiring such intelligent conversation. It would be quite amazing if we could build upon it. Yes?

    And finally:
    To the two doctors who joined in and shared so willingly and freely; may I just say how refreshing it is to find two professional medical providers willing to let their guard done with some with us lay people. To communicate with patients, not of your own who are trying to navigate through the medical community system of IP/CP with out a map is a gift.
    Thank you for that!
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