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What keeps an oncologist from becoming depressed and being "burned out" from further participation in the profession because of the unsatisfactory outcomes of many of the physician's patients? Is there something positive in this specialty?

As a non-oncologist, I have always wondered about this Question but, frankly, have never gotten around to ask my oncology consultants. ..Maurice.
asked Oct 07 at 09:05PM in Other
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    answered Oct 19 at 12:10PM
    Maurice,

    Many of the top oncologists I worked with were always optimistic and driven by concern for their patients. They were open to try out new new drugs to save the lives of their patients. High rates of failures of new drugs in cancer led to change in regulatory rules by the FDA and EMA to speed up testing of drugs from laboratory to clinics. NCI and EORTC played a key role along with Cancer charities and patient advocacy groups. There are several new exciting cancer drugs. The FDA has approved 7 new cancer drugs this year. The current success was build on lessons learned from failures of hundreds of new cancer drugs during the last 3 decades.
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    answered Oct 22 at 08:41AM
    Krishan, yes, I suspect there is optimism by those researchers and pharmaceutical companies in the continued development of cancer-treating drugs but those individuals who work behind their business desk or lab table are not the ones who personally attend to the day to day, week to week, month to month physical, emotional and social issues of a cancer patient and their family members. And then after offering much hope at times and brief respite from discomfort see their patient "go downhill" and die before a more expected natural age of death. Trying out new and expensive drugs can become a fascinating challenge for oncologists and of perhaps monetary value to the drug companies for those drugs which are allowed to have continued cancer use despite being non-curative. But are clinical oncologists optimistic within themselves or just optimistic in their expressions as part of the work to emotionally support the cancer patient and family? Or if there is internal optimism is the optimism for the outlook for some future patients when later versions are developed or true optimism regarding the course of their current patient at hand? Is emotional depression and work "burn-out" not a realistic problem to consider for oncologists? ..Maurice.
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    answered Oct 22 at 12:41PM
    Have there been any good studies done on a relationship between an Oncologist feeling grieving and loss, both anticipatory and post-death, about cancer patients in the latter stages of the disease? Is burnout more prevalent, the more a physician feels, or is it vice versa, because emotions are kept bottled up inside for a variety of reasons.....
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    answered Oct 22 at 03:07PM
    Well, Kim, to get started reviewing this topic, we should read a summary of various studies in HemOnc Today June 10 2008
    http://www.hemonctoday.com/article.aspx?rid=28740
    For example, from the HemOnc article "In a 2003 survey, Allegra et al found that the rate of burnout in the U.S. oncology community exceeded 60%. The survey was administered to 1,740 oncologists, of which 22.6% responded. The results were published in the Journal of Oncology Practice.
    The top three signs of burnout reported were frustration (78%), emotional exhaustion (69%) and lack of satisfaction with their work (50%). The most frequently cited causes for self-reported burnout included overwork, lack of time away from the office and reimbursement concerns."
    Another resource with a review of statistical studies of burnout is on Medscape
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/742941_2
    If you read the two resources above.. the statistics for depression and burnout sound terrible!
    I hope there is one or more oncologists around on Medpedia to give us some personal insight regarding this issue. ..Maurice.
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    answered Oct 23 at 08:42AM
    I noticed the reasons cited in your reply to my question don't include emotional connection to patients, with possible grief and loss as experienced by families or the patients themselves. I wonder if this is ever an issue for physicians who work with the dying, such as Oncologists, Pallitative Care specialists, and so forth. Or does medical school train them to prevent this?
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    answered Oct 23 at 09:00AM
    Maurice,

    I have a different opinion about the importance of new drugs and their importance in saving life and improving quality of life in advanced cancer patients. Several new drugs for cancer patients with gene defects like BRAF, Philadelphia chromosome or ALK+NSCLC have given high overall response rates including complete response, increased overall survival and progression free survival. Most of the new drugs were discovered and developed in industrial R&D laboratories despite high cost of drug failures and clinical trials. Increased regulatory requirements for safer and more effective drugs as well as high R&D cost of failed drugs are the main contributors to the high cost of newly approved drugs. In my experience, oncologists in general are more receptive to research and new drugs. Since industry is the main source of new drugs, industry-academic cooperation is the only way forward to discover new medicines.
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    answered Oct 23 at 10:00AM
    Krishan,
    I am sorry, but I don't see a correlation between your comment about new drugs, research, and so forth, and Maurice's question about reasons for Oncologists burning out, and rates of depression. Are you saying that new research and drugs will buoy the spirit of Oncologists so much, that they will have lower rates of depression and burnout? In that case, I would advise all Oncologists to contact a vanguard pharmaceutical company for counselling and inspiration.
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    answered Oct 23 at 10:08AM
    I enjoyed reading the article in HemOnc Today. I am troubled by the remark about male physicians having a higher suicide rate than those in any other profession. It would be interesting to know how the rate for Oncologists, who deal with dying and death regularly, rate in comparison. Perhaps they have strategies to cope, such as taught in Medical School? Or do strategies fail when confronted with the "real world", especially in relationships developed with patients?
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    answered Oct 23 at 01:07PM
    Krishan, you write "Several new drugs for cancer patients with gene defects like BRAF, Philadelphia chromosome or ALK+NSCLC have given high overall response rates including complete response, increased overall survival and progression free survival." But what does "high" or "complete" mean in terms of total disappearance of a cancer from the body of a patient and that there should be no worry that this cancer or some other cancer precipitated by utilizing this therapy will appear later in its place? I am sure that you are referring to a progression in the value of newer cancer drugs related to the older ones but can the newer drugs provide the oncologist with the basis to tell the patient "I can now cure you of your cancer"? And can the newer drugs provide the oncologists with the intellectual and emotional support to say to themselves "I feel comfortable within myself with what I told the patient and I feel wonderful that I am able now to cure and not simply to repeatedly try to prevent my patient from dying." ?

    Kim,as far as I know, from my experience in medical school education, there is nothing taught to the students to be able to FULLY cope with a career filled with heavy work load, disruptions in their own family relationships and repeated failures to cure. What they are taught and experienced, in contrast, is the necessity to look at patients in a humanistic way as close individual human subjects and not as distant diseased objects. They are taught the value, personally to the doctor and the patient, of physician empathy with regard to the patient as a person and the patient's symptoms, if that can be accomplished. This then goes beyond simple "sympathy", like the words of interest and some support made by the patient's neighbor over the fence at home. All of these teachings are aimed to connect the physician closer to the patient and I am sure that when this closeness becomes patently unproductive in terms of the beneficial to the patient results, oncologists, in particular, will begin to feel depressed and wondering whether to continue with their profession and specialty. So I am back to my original question as to what keeps oncologists from becoming "burned out" and depressed about their life and the life of their patients. ..Maurice.
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    answered Oct 25 at 01:23AM
    Maurice,

    Gleevec was the first cancer cure for certain cancer with Philadelphia chromosome gene mutation.
    There are 12 targeted personalized cures for cancer with gene mutations, the latest ones are Xalkori and Zelboraf. I have published reviews on many of these new wonder drugs. An ideal drug which will provide 100% cure in all types of cancer patients at reasonable cost and without any ADRs does not exist.

    http://knol.google.com/k/-/xalkori-crizotinib-lung-cancer-fda/3fy5eowy8suq3/168#

    http://knol.google.com/k/vemurafenib-zelboraf-plx-4032-melanoma-fda-review-approval#

    http://knol.google.com/k/ipilimumab-yervoy-bms-review-a-cancer-breakthrough#

    http://knol.google.com/k/-/tyrosine-kinase-inhibitors-r-d-review/3fy5eowy8suq3/169#

    Kim,

    My opinion of oncologists is that most of them are tuned into new drugs and hope of newer safer and effective drugs is one way of boosting moral and keeping hope alive. So probably less depression in this group of oncologist.
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    answered Oct 25 at 08:30AM
    Krishan, but is that "anticipatory excitement" regarding the development of new drugs which will be safer and effective sufficient to increase adrenalin and be a significant morale booster despite their current workload and patient outcomes? I am not sure we can get an oncologist here on Medpedia, non-anonymously, to frankly tell us his emotions. ..Maurice.
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    answered Oct 28 at 09:14AM
    I wonder if there are any Oncologists on Medpedia? I don't think your question has been adequately answered, Maurice. Only Oncologists know why they feel burnout, depression, or even what gives them hope and inspiration. It is in the doctor-patient relationship, as well as in workload issues, I would imagine.
    • I have been unable to find through a search of the Editors any oncologist here on Medpedia to help us with this Question. I have asked Administration for help in finding one amongst all the subscribers. ..Maurice.
      Maurice Bernstein MD commented Oct 28 at 10:26PM
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